SPN Reaction

[mrstotten]

Was saving my happy post until after SPN as last few days have not filled me with the happy happy joy joy as my little man has not been good, but then got sent a beeyooootiful picture of my goddaughter, and then hubby and I had a lovely night together, acting almost like we did as teenagers, staying up into the wee hours talking, so thought show would make a nice 'threes a charm' right???



WRONG. Oh in so many ways this looked like such a great episode, it has Michael Shanks in it for crying out loud!!!! then there was a preachers daughter and a group, a village, a community that believed in fighting for themselves and protecting each other, and then there was Castiel's message and then the first signs of poor broken Castiel, but then the fail began.

The repeated use of whore, bitch, lets go kill ourselves a whore etc. I get it, in the bible she was called 'the whore of babylon' but then I've never been in denial about the amount of misogyny in the bible. (and this is me speaking as a practising Catholic who has read it more than once) but I think I may have been in denial about the amount of misogyny in show :( I am usually pretty easygoing, yes it pisses me off sometimes when every decent woman in SPN is canon fodder or someone for the guys to sleep with, or evil. It is one of the reasons I decided to write my big bang fic. But this...... come on this took it WAY too far.

Even the title, 99 problems........ I find that song offensive enough without it being used in my favourite show, alongside an overuse of the words bitch and whore and the women being the personification of evil once again. Even the mother who was willing to kill for her son, and the only person who saw through it, the wise male leader of the church.


Kripke, here's a heads up, a large proportion of your fanbase are FEMALE!!!!!!

Then there was the Lisa thing..... I don't get it, yes I get Dean dreaming about in her in dream a little dream, she was fresh in his head, as was the dream of a normal life, but the first time she brought up to Sam, it was about her being a Yoga instructor, and now she is the one he dreams about!!! it just seemed rushed and forced and didnt ring true for me.


ok /rant, feel free to ignore my ranting and raving, at the moment I'm jus really dissappointed. Hopefully my enthusiasm for next week will come soon, hopefully.

Comments

[just-ruth.livejournal.com]

And you know what was just as big a peeve for me? It took place in Blue Earth MN - and they never once mentioned Pastor Jim!

Ok, so maybe Kripke just intended him to be a "throw-away" character, but some of us kind of liked him, you know?

[mrstotten.livejournal.com]

God do you know I hadnt even noticed that!!! but yes that is sucky :(

[autumn-lilacs.livejournal.com]

Oh, you're right! What the heck?

[faithbeckett.livejournal.com]

Dude, I knew Blue Earth sounded familiar! Sorry for thread jumping but thank you for pointing that out! It was driving me crazy! Not crazy enough to google, of course, but crazy nonetheless. ;)

[autumn-lilacs.livejournal.com]

I know a lot of people are upset about the whore thing, but I took it in context of it being the MotW. (Dean saying about good days he gets to kill a whore was pretty over the top, but I've overlooked less on this show). Also, it's a word that gets tossed around on a regular basis at the office, to refer to all sorts of things. But I totally get why it's grating on people's nerves.

And don't throw stuff, but Castiel saying the word "whore" cracked me up. Not really the word, the way he kept pronouncing it, IDEK.

That preacher man was bad ass. I hope we see him again. (He reminds me of future Our Father!you-know-who, btw).

I am trying to forget the Lisa scene was even THERE. It was so random and ridiculous. I can't stand Cassie, but even she would have made a lick of sense. I would have been fine if they'd have thrown in occasional hints, like if he tried to call her at least once this season. One visit in dreamland since they're fling doesn't substantiate his visit to her, or making "arrangements" for them (to me). You know I love me some future family Dean fic, but just, no. It would have been awesome if they had supported it prior to the episode. *sigh*

[mrstotten.livejournal.com]

lol I could never throw stuff at you, I love you WAY too much. I think the big things with me were the episode name, I don't see how that can be taken any way but derogatory and the "on a good day we get to kill a whore" I seriously don't know how they got away with that one.

Like you, I can see the humour in Castiel using it and being so deadpan, in fact Castiel and Sam saved this ep for me, which is saying a LOT from a 'Deangirl' but like you I have overlooked a LOT on the show and just put it down to the writers missing the point, but this was so overt, I think it's because I hate the use of the words, slut/whore/tramp in any context, especially when used by women in reference to other woman, and it was a woman who wrote this ep *meep* I think I was just really upset earlier but have calmed down considerably.

The lisa thing I have to agree, that although I loved Lisa and Ben this was so far left field it was ridiculous!!!!

but in other news, how are you???

[nachekana.livejournal.com]

in fact Castiel and Sam saved this ep for me

COME TO US, MAGS, IT'S ALL SHINY AND GIGANTIC AND FLUFFY-HAIRED.

PS: Totally agree with you on the overuse of the W word. Seriously, first time: comic relief. Second time: necessary for explanation. Third time: ooookay, comic relief again? But 22nd time or what-the-fuck-ever was way too much.

[autumn-lilacs.livejournal.com]

in fact Castiel and Sam saved this ep for me, JSYK, that's the sassiest thing I've ever heard....

[goodbyebird]

Yay ranting\o/
lj has been robbing me of this all day *huggles dreamwidth* the ending of the ep actually bothered me the most. Dean going to Lisa like that was weird enough, but Lisa being all repeatedly "come on in. I'll get you a beer." and "I know", like she's just been sitting around waiting for Dean for two years? Come on, spn, get you heads out of your collective asses. Massive double fail considering the whole failfest was written by a woman. So much facepalm.

Glad to hear you've been having some good times in there too!

[faithbeckett.livejournal.com]

*thread jumps here as well*

I don't know about you, but as soon as she opened the door I was looking (hoping) for a wedding ring, and for her to be all "oh, hey, um, my husband is in the next room what the hell are you doing here creepy man whom I haven't seen in two years?"

Sadly, that's not what we got. For a pretty girl, she sure has no social life. Maybe it's Ben's fault. Kids and women suck after all, right? ;)

[goodbyebird]

It's not like the walking talking vagina has any purpose or personality outside of revolving around the men and serving the plot, duh.

[faithbeckett.livejournal.com]

I'm right there with ya, honey pants. Not as violently so, of course, but I just think that's a product of the fact that I haven't particularly cared about this show at all for a long time now. One other question to throw on the pot - has anyone (re: the writers) considered the fact that not only has it been two real human earth years since Dean's seen Lisa, but FORTY FUCKING HELL ONES AS WELL? And he still remembers her? Thinks of her as his happy home future? This is becoming one of my hugest pet peeves with this show, ignoring the fact that Dean is really seventy years old, and forty of those years (the most recent ones, to boot) were spent being tortured and torturing in hell. I thought it was stupid to have it be that long in the first place, mostly because I didn't think they'd be able to build a convincing post-hell Dean if Dean had been away for that many years and, lo and behold, they failed on that front as well.

[lotrabc.livejournal.com]

I think, with the reputation the show has with problematic handling of female characters, doing the whole of Whore of Babylon thing was just a bad idea. The implications are unfortunate, but I would've let the whole thing go as just a title, except it seemed at a couple of points, they went out of their way to make it worse. The pimp line, and "on a good day, you get to kill a whore" come to mind. : /

I'm very much taking the ending as Dean being screwed up and grasping at straws for comfort, and like you said, a dream. If that wasn't the writers' intent, then that scene was far too random and pasted on, I agree.